tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5581050.post115254510829288785..comments2024-03-21T05:10:57.134+00:00Comments on Mustard Seed Shavings: Bishops Banning BombsSteve Tilleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17400505989949096631noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5581050.post-1153292854772662072006-07-19T08:07:00.000+01:002006-07-19T08:07:00.000+01:00Simon, if you ever get a chance to read Francis Sc...Simon, if you ever get a chance to read Francis Schaeffer's 'The Great Evangelical Disaster' you will find an anti-abortion, pro-nukes and, I recall, a pro-death penalty Christian. Completely inconsistent. Your kind of guy?Steve Tilleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17400505989949096631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5581050.post-1153258661805366122006-07-18T22:37:00.000+01:002006-07-18T22:37:00.000+01:00Nice profile pic Ali :-)Nice profile pic Ali :-)Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07223285218971106224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5581050.post-1153145645503621022006-07-17T15:14:00.000+01:002006-07-17T15:14:00.000+01:00There is a place and time for speaking prophetical...There is a place and time for speaking prophetically into a situation (regardless of the beliefs of others), the problem the church faces is whether it can be authentic and consistent. We could just as well have had another letter from 20 OTHER Bishops in support of the next nuclear thing!Ali Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15725144925487684242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5581050.post-1152699566560638882006-07-12T11:19:00.000+01:002006-07-12T11:19:00.000+01:00Was watching the CH4 doc on Monday "War of the Wor...Was watching the CH4 doc on Monday "War of the World" about how the Allies resorted to using the Axis methods of racial hatred and killing civilians. Next episode is about the "Cold War". Which made me think, doesn't the term "cold war" actually = "peace"?<BR/><BR/>The invention of nuclear weapons created an enforced peace. At least, we can not afford to have any more <I>world</I> wars, because we will all surely die.<BR/><BR/>So maybe, logically, Christians should be in favour of nuclear weapons...Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13905592870063005287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5581050.post-1152557344003928482006-07-10T19:49:00.000+01:002006-07-10T19:49:00.000+01:00Totally agree on the 'anti-God' comment. As for bi...Totally agree on the 'anti-God' comment. As for bishops, hey why worry - they shouldn't knock you for speaking the truth.<BR/><BR/>Here's a few reasons:<BR/><BR/>1) Nukes cost a fortune we could spend on removing poverty from the people who might resort to nukes if all their people remain victims of injustice.<BR/><BR/>2) Using a nuke kills lots of people you don't want to hit, as well as the people you do (assuming you think the use of force is ever justified.) They also tend to increase cancer everywhere, so use of such a weapon eben kills your own people.<BR/><BR/>3) If we've got them, how can we knock North Korea or Iran for wanting them?<BR/><BR/>There. That's a Christian arguing against nukes without any direct reference to God (although I personally credit him with my ability to live/reason/think ethically.)Mike Peatmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385223912601726849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5581050.post-1152556283056250342006-07-10T19:31:00.000+01:002006-07-10T19:31:00.000+01:00Steve - The reason I asked which bishop is because...Steve - The reason I asked which bishop is because I wasn't sure if ours was the Bishop of Warwick or Coventry.<BR/><BR/>Steve & Rich - Perhaps we need to know BOTH. ie. where our logic takes us, and how much further than this our faith takes us. We can then say point out when something doesn't logically make sense, and even when something does, why we still disagree on a moral matter.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07223285218971106224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5581050.post-1152554488350245322006-07-10T19:01:00.000+01:002006-07-10T19:01:00.000+01:00Very interesting point about the use of "Christian...Very interesting point about the use of "Christian" morality in constructing / defending your positions. I kind of agree and kind of don't.<BR/><BR/>On one hand you're totally right that Christians often start with assumptions which others can just dismiss and that these have to be disregarded in dialogue with them sometimes. But do we want to get to the point where our faith can only make a difference to our beliefs about religious matters? I have no strong opinions about Trident but surely on many political issues my belief in God will lead me down a different path from someone who doesn't share that belief> Got me thinking anyhow.Rich Burleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06577612103979842837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5581050.post-1152551048511737272006-07-10T18:04:00.000+01:002006-07-10T18:04:00.000+01:00The letter is from 20 bishops; 8 diocesan and 12 s...The letter is from 20 bishops; 8 diocesan and 12 suffragen. Bishop of Coventry is my current Bishop.Steve Tilleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17400505989949096631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5581050.post-1152550339130209792006-07-10T17:52:00.000+01:002006-07-10T17:52:00.000+01:00My logic argument against trident.1) Do we think t...My logic argument against trident.<BR/><BR/>1) Do we think that other countries should have nuclear warheads?<BR/>2) In light of this, is it hypocritical to have nuclear warheads ourselves.<BR/><BR/>I am intrigued, which of our two Diocesan Bishops signed the letter?Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07223285218971106224noreply@blogger.com